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Noam Chomsky August 2017 - Interviewed by Chris Hedges
\\this throughout the industrial revolution which has been cited by theorists from marks to a pocket of pre dawn to yourself that ... you build a consciousness among workers within the manufacturing class and ... ... eventually you lead to a kind of autonomous position or workers can control their own production we now live in a system of global licensed on where most the working class in industrial countries like the United States are service workers we have reverted to a Dickens Sony and system where those who actually produced live in conditions that begin to replicate almost slave labor and I think as you have written in places like southern China in fact are slaves I what's the new paradigm for resistance ... you know how do we learn from the old and and confront the new policy Sierra I think we can draw many strip of very good lessons from the the early period of the industrial revolution of course earlier in England let's take care of the United States the industrial revolution took off right around here eastern Massachusetts mid nineteenth century of this was a a period when the independent farmers were being driven into the industrial system of men and women incidentally it women from the pharmaceutical factory girls under they've bitterly resented it they had it was a period with very free press the most in the in the history the country that was a wide variety of journals of the ethnic labor others and when you read them they're pretty fascinating the other people driven into the industrial system ... regarded it as an attack on their personal dignity on their rights as human beings they were free human beings who were being forced into what they called wage slavery of which they regarded as not very different from chattel slavery in fact this was such a popular view that was actually a slogan of the Republican Party of the flu the only difference between working for wages and being a slave is the working for wages possibly temporary I present you with free other than that they're not different the end of the day but bitterly resented the fact that the in the industrial system was even taking away their a rich cultural life and the cultural life was rich mother by now studies of the the British working class and the American working class soon so they were part of the them high culture of the day which I remember this as late as the 19 thirties with my own family industry sort of unemployed workers clutch and they said this purpose is being taken away from us we're being forced to be something like slaves they argued that if you if you're at a safe journey click craftsman and you sell your product you're selling you what you've produced if your wage if your wage earner you're selling yourself witches deeply offensive they condemned what they called the new spirit of the age gain wealth forgetting all by itself familiar Nanda of it was good extremely radical it was combined with the a is the most of radical democratic movement in American history the populist the early populist move a radical farmers began in Texas rooted to the Midwest enormous movement of farmers who were wanted to free themselves from the domination by the the northeastern bankers and capitalist come around the markets you know ... sort forced them to a solar but what they produced on credit than squeeze them with credit and so on but they went on to develop their own banks thrown cooperative city started link up with the knights of labor major labor movement which was held Thursday put it those those who work in the mills or on it should be a Democrat free democratic society these were very powerful movement a by the 18 nineties and workers were taking over Townsend running them in eastern Pennsylvania in western Pennsylvania home students famous good well they were crushed by force the took some time those were the final blow was Woodrow Wilson's red scare right after the first World War which virtually crushed labor at the same time in the early nineteenth century of the of the business world recognized both in England and the United States that sufficient freedom had been one so they could no longer control people just by violence let's turn to new means of control the obvious ones were control of opinions and attitudes that's the origins of the massive public relations industry which is explicitly dedicated to trolling minds and attitudes the first government partly was government first government commission was the British ministry of information this is long before or will it enough to invent it though so the ministry of information had as its goal controlled with the minds of the people in the world but particularly the minds of American intellectuals for very good reason they know that if they could delude American intellectuals into supporting British policy they couldn't the very effective in imposing that on the population of the United States the British of course are desperate to get the Americans into the war with a pacifist population the Woodrow Wilson won the 1960 16 election with the slogan of peace without victory and they had to drive a pacifist population into a population that bitterly hated all things German won the tour of the Germans for the the Boston Symphony Orchestra conflict Beethoven and I succeeded of the ins Wilson set up a a counterpart to the ministry of information called the committee on public information jumped and you can guess what it was under that they've at least felt that probably correctly that they had seated in the carrying out this massive change of opinion on the part of the population and driving them passive the pacifist population into no war mongering fanatics and the people on the commission learned a lesson the one of them was it organized who went on to found the the main guru of the public relations industry another one was Walter Lippmann who was the leading progressive intellectual of the twentieth century and they both said took drew the same lesson and sit the lessons were that we can we have it with Lippman called a new carton Amaker city manufacturing consent that's but Herman I took the phrase from for brown eyes it was engineering of consent of the conception was that the intelligent minority who of course is us a to make sure that we can run the affairs of public affairs affairs of state of the economy and so on we're the only ones capable of doing that of course that we have to be on quoting free firmly Rohrer and the trampling of the bewildered her leading into them ignorant and meddlesome outsiders the general public they have to live up to the role their role is to be spectators not participant and every couple years they're permitted to choose among one of the responsible man others other than is that considered the John Dewey circle it took the same view but do it changed his mind the players later discredit but at the time Dewey and his circle were writing that ... because the first World War that this is the first war in history although it was not the organized manipulated by the military on them political figures and so on but rather it was carefully planned by rational calculation of the intelligent men in the community namely us and we sorted through carefully and decided to of the system reasonable thing to do for all kind of benevolent reason they were proud of themselves if there were people disagree like Randolph Bourne disagreed he was kicked out they couldn't write in the do it journals he wasn't killed but Mr sticks looted and if you take a look around the world was pretty much the same but in the the intellectuals on all saw it were passionately dedicated to the national because also it's Germans British everywhere there were a few fringe of dissenters like Bertrand Russell who's in jail Carl leap live Clifton Rosa Luxemburg in jail a rental foreign marginal Eugene Debs in jail for daring to question the magnificence of the war the 5 Wilson hated him with such passion the to Winnie fun declared an amnesty of Dave's was left out we've had to wait for Warren Harding to release him and he was if leading labor figure in the country incident a candidate for president fringe party until but but the lesson that came out as you we believe you you can of course ought to control the public and we can't do it by force will do it by manufacturing consent but engineering of consent out of that comes a huge public relations industry massive industry dedicated to this incidentally it's also dedicated to undermining markets fact that's rarely noticed but it's quite obvious it business hates markets they don't want and you can see it very clearly the markets if you take an economics course Sir based on the rational but informed consumers making rational choices turn on the television should look at the first ad city trying to create uninformed consumers making irrational choices a soul point of the ... huge advertising industry but also to try to control them manipulate Philip undertakes various forms in different institution media that would one way the academic institutions do it another way under the educational system is a crucial part of it nada new observation there's it's an interesting S. saiba Orwell's which is not very well known because wasn't published it's the introduction to animal form but in the introduction 80 addresses himself to the people of England and he says you shouldn't feel self righteous reading this satire of the totalitarian enemies because in free England ideas can be suppressed without the use of force Anne Thompson much about it actress 2 sentences what he says of the press one reason is the press is owned by wealthy men who have every reason not the watcher melodies to be expressed the second reason more important one in my view is a good education so if you've gone to all the good schools room Oxford Cambridge Angela the hood of instilled into you the understanding the thirst certain things it wouldn't do to say and I don't think he went for a run off wouldn't do to think under that very broad among the educated classes let's wait overwhelmingly Litton support state power state violent maybe with some qualification Schlichter so Obama is regarded as a critic of the the invasion of Iraq why because he thought it was a strategic blunder that puts him on the same Marle Levellers some of the Nazi general who thought that the second front was a strategic blunder both England first that's cool criticism ... but the and sometimes it's kind of outlandish simple it was just a review in The New York Times book review of Clinton Greenwood's new book by Michael Kinsley and Richard bitterly condemned of mostly character assassination anything substantive potentially did say that it's ridiculous to think that there's any repression in the media and the United States because we could write quite freely in criticize anything and he can but then you have to look at what he says and it's quite interesting of Michael Kent in the 19 eighties when the major the best local news story was the US massive US atrocities in Central America renders wasn't presented that way but that's what was happening Kinsley was the voice of the left on television and there were interesting incident at 1. the US Southern Command of which ran over so it was the overseer of these actions the gave instructions to the other a terrorist force that they were running in Nicaragua called the contras and they were a terrorist force they give them orders 2 they said not to Duke it out with the Sandinistas minute ovoid dishonest of the Nicaraguan army an attack undefended a target like agricultural cooperatives health clinics and so on and they could do it because they were the first guerrillas in history the head of the high level of communications equipment and computers and so on the US sewage rant controlled the air totally so they could ascendant structure to the terrorist forces telling them how to avoid the Nicaraguan army detachments an attacker undefended civilian targets well this was mentioned analyst publicized whose mention and ... Americas watch which later became part of him and writes books was MHM protest Michael Kinsley responded ... he condemned Americas watch for their promotional is is that we have to recognize that we have to accept a pragmatic criterion so we have to ask something like this is that we have to compare the amount of blood in misery poured in with the the success of the outcome in producing democracy will call democracy and if it meets the pragmatic criterion then terrorist attacks against civilian targets are perfectly legitimate which is not a surprising view in his case he was the editor of the new Republic the new Republic supposedly liberal journal was arguing that to that we should support Latin American fascists a because they're more important things within human rights and also all the door with her murdering tens of thousands of people that's the liberals and you know they can get in the media no problem and it's an under priest for regarded with praise but all of this is part of the that massive system of it's not the neighbor sits atop implantable it's just exactly is or will said it's instilled into you part of her deep indoctrination system which leads to a certain way of looking at the world and looking at authority which is yes we have to subordinate to authority we have to believe we're very independent and free proud of that that as long as we keep within the limits we are try to go beyond those limits throughout but that that that system of course is constant but what's changed is that we don't produce anything anymore so what what we define as are working class is a service sector class working in places like Walmart ... and the effective forms of resistance the sit down strikes ... ... you know the the going back even further in the middle of the nineteenth century with the women in Lowell of hunting that was a lot of Mobley's recline does those textile strikes what are the mechanisms now and I know you have written as many ... anarchists have done about the importance of the working class controlling the means of production taking control and you you are you have a great quote about how you know Lenin's Bolsheviks are right right wing deviance I think was that which is of course exactly right because it was centralized control strong and the Soviets given the fact that production has moved to places like Bangladesh or southern China what is going to be the paradigm now and given as you point out the a powerful forces a propaganda and you touched upon now security and surveillance state we are the most monitor watched photographed eavesdropped population human history and you cannot even use the word love liberty when you of history privacy that's what totalitarian is what is the road we take now given the paradigm that we have which is somewhat different from you know what this country was certainly in the first half of the twentieth century I think it's pretty much the same frankly of the ideas still should be is out of the knights of labor those who work in the mills should on them and plenty of manufacturing going on in the country and probably there will be more as soon for unpleasant reasons that one thing that's happening right now is quite interesting is that energy prices are going down in the United States because of the massive exploitation of fossil fuels matures going to destroy our grandchildren but the under the bill capitalist morality is a look the calculus is the profit tomorrow outweigh the existence your grandchildren that institutionally based so yes we're getting lower energy prices and if you look at the business press better ... you know very enthusiastic about the fact that we can undercut manufacturing in Europe ... because we'll have lower energy prices and therefore it'll manufacturing will come back here and we could even undermine European efforts at developing sustainable energy because will be so much will have this advantage Britain is saying the same thing the Britons just in England recently as I left the airport I read the daily telegraph newspaper big headline ... England is going to begin a frat cracking all over the country the even cracking under people's homes without their permission and that'll make little allow us to destroy the environment even more quickly Linda will have to bring manufacturing back here of the same was true with Asia a manufacturing is moving back to an extent to Mexico and even here as a of the wages increase in China partly because of labor struggles it's this massive labor struggles in China huge all over the place and it suits that we're integrated with someone would be supportive of that manufacturing is coming back here and both manufacturing and the service industries can move towards having those who do the work ... take over the management and ownership and control fact it's happening a in the old rush Phil Indiana Ohio in June there's a significant not huge with significant the growth of worker owned enterprises they're not huge put their substantial brown Cleveland and other places other the background is interesting but in the 1977 of the US steel multinational ... decided to close down of their mills in the Youngstown Ohio Youngstown is a steel town sure built but the steel workers and the main one of the men still producing areas well the union I tried to buy the plants from other US steel the objective and my view mostly on class lines the motive and profited from but the idea of workaround industries that have much appeal to the corporate leaders misspent bankers joma so it went to the courts of finally the union lost in the court but with enough off of sport that could one will fit the working class just on the committee did not give up of they couldn't get the steel mills but they began to develop small worker owned enterprises a they've now spread throughout the region there's potential and it can happen more and more of the same can happen and what mark and there's a massive ... efforts right now significant ones the organizer the service workers political associates into in the service industries and these industries is a remember depend very heavily on a taxpayer largesse of the in all kinds of ways I mean for example a fix it won't marks the import other goods produced in China which were brought here on container ships ... which would that designed and developed by the US navy and point after point where you look you find that the way the system the system that we now have this one which is radically anti capitalist radically so I'm gonna mention one thing leader powerful effort to try to undermine markets for consumers but the something much more striking limit on it in the in a capitalist system the basic principle is that so if you invest in something and so it's a risky investment so you put money into it for a long time maybe decades and finally after a long time something comes up which market will for profit she pushed it back to you it's not the way it works here take Sadia computers internet lasers microelectronics painters GPS affect the whole IT revolution up there was taxpayer her investment and for decades literally deck it doing all the hard creative risky work does the taxpayer gonna the profit none ... because such software system works radically anti capitalist visits radically anti democratic post the markets in favor of concentrating wealth and power but that does not accepted by the population these are older all kinds of forms of resistance to this conveyed developed if people become aware of it but you could argue that in the election of 2000 they will bomb I wasn't accepted by the population but what we see repeatedly is that once elected officials achieve power well through of course corporate financing ... the consent of the governed is ... kind of cruel joke it doesn't poll after poll mean I sued Obama over the national defense authorization act in which you are co plaintiff and the polling was 97 percent against this section of the NDA and yet the courts which will become a wholly owned subsidiaries of the corporate state the elected officials the executive branch and the press which ignore or largely ignored it the only Oregon that responsibly covered the case was ironically the New York times ... we don't have it doesn't matter what we want it doesn't I mean week he and I think you know that that's the question how do we effect change when we have reached a point where we can no longer appeal to the traditional liberal institutions that is Karl Popper said once made incremental or piece Neil a form possible to adjust the system of course to save capitalism but now it can even adjust the system you know we see will hunting well awhile welfare I mean it's perfectly true true that the population is mostly disenfranchised in fact it's a leading seem even of academic political science it took a look at the mainstream political science so for example a recent paper that was just published a Princeton by other Martin Gillan and Benjamin page 2 of the leading analysts of these topics with a point out as soon though they went through a couple of 0 policy decisions and found what has long been known that was almost no looked at the pub public attitudes at almost no effect a do you a public organization organizations that are should nonprofit organizations that are publicly base no affect of the alcoves were determined by concentrated private power there's a long record of that going way back Thomas Ferguson political scientist near hearers Sharon very convincingly that to something as simple as campaign spending is a very good predictor of policy because back into the late nineteenth century that's right through the new deal it right up to the present that's only one element of the until you take a look at the literature in about 70 percent of the population that's what they believe has no effect on policy at all a little more influences you go up when you get to the top which is probably like a tenth of one percent basically write the legislation well you see this all over ontic this huge traded recycled trade agreements that are being negotiated transpacific can Atlantic enormous agreement kind of nafta style agreement though their secret almost they're not secret from the hundreds of corporate lawyers and lobbyists who were writing they know about it which mentioned their bosses know about under the Obama administration the pressures look this has to be secret otherwise we can't defend our interests yep carpenters means the interests of the corporate lawyers and lobbyists were writing the legislation take the few pieces of been leaked and you see that's exactly what it is same with the others but doesn't have to accept and there have been changes so it takes it takes isn't in the 19 twenties the labor movement it could practically destroyed this is a famous book one of the leading labor historian David Montgomery has a major book called something like the fall of the house of labor he's talking about the 19 twenties it was done there had been a very militant labor movement very effective farmers movement as well crushed 19 twenties all nothing left in the 19 thirties a trench and it changed because of popular activism but it also changed because of the breakdown of capitalism that was circumstance that led to the opportunity to do something but we're living with it constantly a man took the last 30 years further lock majority of the population spins stagnation or worse a that's a permanent it's not exactly the deep depression but it's a kind of a permanent semi depression for most of the population such a plant this plan if kindling out there which can be lighted and what happened in the thirties as primarily CIO organizing the militant actions like sit down strikes but don't strictly frightening it's the step before taking over the institutions and we don't need the bosses under that there was a cooperative administration routes of administration shows some interaction number significant legislation was passed not not radical books significant underestimated and that node wouldn't let it happen again in the sixties can happen again today so I don't I don't think that one should abandon hope been chipping away at the more oppressive aspects of the society within the electoral system but it's only gonna happen if there's massive popular organization which doesn't have to stop at that it could also be building the institutions of the future within the present society which you say that the you spoke about propaganda earlier and the creel commission of the rise of public relations industry that the capacity to disseminate propaganda is something that ... now well you virtually can't escape it I mean it's there in some electronic form even in handle device ... does not make that propaganda more effective well it's kind of an interesting question up I've like a lot of people have written a lot about the media and the intellectual propaganda but there's another question which isn't studied much how effective is and that's because but when you brought up the polls striking illustration the propaganda is you can see from the poll results that the propaganda has only limited effectiveness a minute can drive the a population into the terror and fear war hysteria like before the Iraq invasion or 70 and so on but over time public attitudes remain quite different effect studies even of it's called the right wing people who say get the government off my back that kind of sector the turn out to be kind of social democratic they want more spending on health we're spending on education more spending on Sadia that women with dependent children but not welfare no spending on welfare because Reagan who is extremely racist citizen demonizing the notion welfare so often Rosemont welfare means a a rich black woman the driving into her limousine to the welfare office to steal your money well nobody wants that but they want what welfare does up the foreign aid is an interesting case Latin enormous propaganda against property foreign aid so those were giving away everything to the undeserving people out there a total of public attitudes lot of opposition to public far made very high I know that when you ask people how much do we given foreign aid way beyond what we give when I ask what we should give in foreign aid far above what we give and this runs across the board ... takes a taxes they've been studies of attitudes towards taxes for 40 years overwhelmingly the populations as the taxes are much too low for the rich in the corporate sector got a raise a what happens probably up which let's just exactly is over will said it's instilled into you part of the deep indoctrination system which leads to a certain way of looking at the world and looking at authority the witches yes we have to subordinate to authority we have to believe we're very independent and free proud of it but as long as we keep within the limits we are try to go beyond those limits throughout what was fascinating about I mean the point this did too buttresses point when you took the major issues of the occupy movement they were majoritarian movement ... what would you look back on the occupy movement what do you think it's failings where its importance for well I think it's a little misleading to call it a movement occupy was a tactic fact a brilliant tactic and if I'd been asked in yeah couple months earlier whether they should take over it didn't public places and if so discouraged but it worked extremely well and it litespeed arc which went all over the place hundreds of other hundreds of places in the country that were occupied events it was all over the world I'm gonna give talks in Sydney Australia the occupy movement there but it was a tactic for effective tactic changed public disk problem discourse not policy is the broad issues to the forefront I think my own feeling is its most important contribution was just to break through the atomization of the society I'm so very atomized society there's all sorts of effort to efforts to a separate people from one another to sort of this the ideal social unit is you know you and your TV you know Hannah Arendt who'd raises atomization is one of the key components of totality exactly and the occupied actions Brooks at down for a large part of the population the people could recognize that we can get together and do things for ourselves that we can have a common kitchen we can have a place for public discourse that we can former ideas and do something now if those attitude that that's an important tacked on the core of the means by which the public's control so you're not just of of an individual's right to maximize your consumption but there are other concerns in life and you can do something about it if those attitudes can be and associations and bonds can be sustained moving to the directions that'll be important but going back to occupy it's a tactic the tactics of a kind of a half life you can't doing them and certainly you can't keep occupant public places where it all ... so it was very successful but it was not in itself a movement the question is what happens to the people who are involved in it do they go on the the develop other did they move into communities pickup community issues up to the other organizer think of those texts say this businesses a worker owned industry right here in Massachusetts not far from here there was certain that it ... something similar one of the multinationals decided to close down a a fairly profitable small plant which was producing of but air space equipment print high skilled workers and so on but wasn't profitable enough room closed down the union want to buy it company refuses jewel class reasons I think if the occupy ... efforts had been available at the time they could have provided the public support for this happened when the Obama virtually nationalize the auto industry there were choices the 11 choice was talk of course was to a rescue it a return it to essentially the same owners with different faces Sam class basis and send it back to doing what they had been doing in the past producing automobiles there were other choices and if the Oct something like see occupied movement had been around that sufficient could have driven the government into other choices like for example turning the media of auto plants over the working class and having produced with the country needs I went we don't need more cars that we need the mass public transportation a minute with the United States is an absolute scandal in this regard the H. came back from Europe should see a dramatically you gotta European train you we want to go though time the train from Boston to New York maybe I don't know 20 minutes faster than when I took it 2 years ago you go along the Connecticut turnpike in the trucks are going faster Trent recently in Japan offered the United States a low interest loan to build a high speed rail from the Washington to New York stern down of course but what they were offering was to build the kind of training that I took in Japan 50 years ago and this is a scam shows scandal of the country well you know a reconstituted to the auto industry could've turned in that direction under worker and community control I don't think these things are out of sight and that's not even have local conservative sport because there if they are within like that wasn't broader in the capital cut which school capitalist framework really capital undead that an unfiltered directions the truth be crushed right now for example the you put the the steelworkers union is trying to establish some kind of relations with the mantra gone a huge workarounds conglomerate run the best country in Japan which is very successful in fact very now includes industry manufacturing banks hospitals living quarters very broad if that it's not impossible that that can be brought here it it's it's potentially radical it's creating the basis for quite a different society and I think with things like say occupied the timing wasn't quite right pitifully if the timing had been a little better and this goes on all the time so it's always possible it could have provided a kind of an impetus to move significant portion of the socio economic system in a different direction and once those things begin to take off and people can see the advantages of can become quite significant there are kind of islands like that around the country to take Chattanooga Tennessee happens to have them publicly organized the internet system by far the best in the country rapid the internet access for broad fortune population specter roots of it probably go back to the TV a good deal of the initiatives well that conduct Europe's second spread throughout the country one not very efficient for entry below works very well it could undermine the the telecommunications industry and it's oligopoly which would be a very good thing there are lots of possibilities one ask Justin 2 last questions first the fact that we have become a militarized society something the handy all of the predictions of the anti imperialist league at the end of the nineteenth century including Carnegie and John Adams hard to think of them both in the same room ... of but you go back and read what they wrote and they were right come what Howell ... the a militarized society has deformed us economically Seymour Melman wrote about this quite well and politically ... and that is a hurdle that as we attempt to reform or reconfigure our society we have to cope with and I wondered if you could address this military monstrosity that you have written about quite a bit well for one thing the public doesn't like it what's called isolationism one another bed word is sort of you know pacifism once is just the public recognition that there's something deeply wrong with their dedication to the military force all over the world now of course on the same time the public is frightened into believing that we have to defend ourselves and shot Hurley falls part of the military system is generating forces which will be harmful to us the other side Obama's terrorist campaign current campaign biggest terrorist camp in history generating potential terrorists faster than its killings of spit you can see it her striking what's happening right now in Iraq and hunt did the truth of the matter is it is very evident she could go back to the Nuremberg judgment the only person at all no but in Nuremberg a aggression was to find as the Supreme international crime differing from other war crimes in that it includes it encompasses all of the evil that follows will US British invasion of Iraq as a textbook case of aggression by the standards of Nuremberg little behind ... and it did it one of things it did my other crimes was to a ignite a Sunni Shiite conflict which I hadn't been going on I mean there's no serious kinds of tensions but Iraqis didn't believe that could ever be a conflict that were inter married lived in the same places intro but the vision set it off took off on its own by announcing flame in the whole region so now we're at the point where ... SUNY jihadi forces Iraqi marching on Baghdad and the Iraqi army is collapsing reg Iraqi arms just giving away there are there obviously is a lot of collaboration and all of this is a US crime US crime if we believe then the validity of the judgments against the Nazis kind of interesting record Robert Jackson prosecutor who is justice good at the tribunal addressed the tribunal and the pointed out the C. put it that we're ... giving these defendants a poisoned chalice and if we ever shipped from we have to be treated the same way or else the whole thing is a farce we should recognize the situation progress but it's not it's not accidental that our security and surveillance apparatus is militarize ... and and and you're right of course that there is no ... broad popular support for this expanding military adventurism and yet it's the question is if there is a serious effort to curtail their power and their budgets ... they have mechanisms in even heard Nancy Pelosi echo this in terms of how they play dirty I mean they have informed they are monitoring all of the elected officials as well on the monitor but despite everything it's still a pretty free society and the recognition by US and British business back 100 years ago that they can no longer control the population by violence is correct and control but of attitude opinion is pretty fragile as is surveillance it's very different than sending in the stormtroopers a little less so there's a lot of latitude for people of relative privilege at least ... to do all sorts of things but it's different if you're a black kid in the ghetto yet then you're subjected the state violent but for a large part of the population there's plenty of opportunities which have not been available in the pilot but the George here are those people are a passive virtually and they don't have to they don't have to be what Hannah Arendt when she writes about yeah I'm a potent policing that word directed against St Louis including herself in France so the problem with building on a potent policing which we have done and are marginal neighborhoods and targeted people of color can have their doors kicked in and stopped at random and thrown in jail for decades for crimes that income it is that when you have a societal upheaval you already have both illegal and a physical mechanism by which that on the potent policing can be quickly inflicted on the restaurants I don't think that's true here well I think the time has passed when that can be done for increasing parts of population of those who have almost any degree of privilege of the state my wanted to put them on power to do it they can carried out extensive surveillance monitoring so they can be violent in against the parts of the population that can't defend themselves the undocumented immigrant black kids in the ghetto and so on would even latched the fact can be undercut for example a lot of the ... one of the major scandals in the United States and Reagan is the huge incarceration program of which is a a weapon against it it's it's a race war but it's based on drugs and there is finally cutting away at the source of this and the criminalization of the the radical distortion of the way criminalization of drug usage worked that can have an effect on it I think you look there's no doubt that the the population is passive there are lots of ways of keeping them passive loss ways of marginalizing atomizing them but that's different from stormtroopers quite different and I can be overcome has been overcome in the past and I think there lots of pretend of initiative some of them being undertaken others developing which can be used to break down the system I think it's a very fragile system clued in the military close of climate change like I read climate change reports which well unfortunately that made doom us all but not in the long distant future let's just overwhelms everything as a first time in human history when but we know why we have the capacity to destroy the the conditions were decent survival and it's already happening I'm a stickler that species destruction space is destruction now it is estimated to be at about the level of 65000000 years ago when an asteroid hit the earth and that the though the period of the dinosaurs wiped out huge numbers of species same level today under the asteroid and if take a look at what's happening in the world and a better looking at this from outer space my astonishment there are sectors of the global population they're trying to impede the catastrophe the other sectors that are trying to accelerate take a look at who they are those who are trying to impeded other ones we call backward the indigenous populations the First Nations in Canada you know aboriginals in Australia tribal people in India all over the world are trying to impeded whose accelerating it the most privileged and then the so called advanced the educated the populations of the world US and Canada right now only and the we know why the rush and the it's been here Harrison interesting case of manufacture consent that doesn't work the title of it international pulls on global warming the Americans are who are the most propagandized on this of this huge propaganda efforts to make you believe it's not happening they're a little below the norm but chipper some effective the propaganda stratified typical of the Republicans the way below the norm but what's happening in the Republican Party all along all across the spectrum is very striking so for example about 2 thirds of Republicans believe there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that all sorts of other things no so so much stratified but they're but they're some impact of the propaganda but not overwhelming most of the population still regarded as a serious problem let the projected interesting article about the certainly Columbia journalism review trip your current issue you know the lead critical review of journalists they attribute this 2 of what they call the doctrine of fairness in the media doctor of fairness says that well if you haven't opinion piece by 25 97 percent of the scientists if the parrot with an opinion piece by the energy of the corporations suddenly fair balanced there isn't any such doctrine like if you have a lot of an opinion piece in denouncing the Putin as the new Hitler for the next into Crimea you don't have to balance it with an opinion piece saying that 100 years ago the United States took over southeastern Cuba at the point of a gun and a still holding it ... little has actually no justification other than to try to undermine Cuban development Grissom contrast would have you think of food reason you don't have to have that but when you have to a fair and balanced when it affects the concerns of private power period try to get an article in the Columbia journalism review pointed battled spare so all those things are there but they can be overcome and they'd better and let this isn't unless there's a sharp reversal policy unless we hear in the advance of corporate vent societies I can guarantee consciousness of the indigenous people of the world we're in deep trouble our grandchildren are going to suffer from and I think you would agree that's not going to come from the power elite up to us Luke 10 it's urgent it is very much //



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