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"2017-08-19 00:03:06"
ABBY MARTIN DISCUSSES THE ABSURDITY OF CAPITALISM WITH PETER JOSEPH
\\Peter just as the founder of the zeitgeist movement the grassroots worldwide organization advocates an alternative economic system based on sustainability cooperation human need Saddam's Joseph to talk with the contradictions and prices of and what he advocates to save the future planet from catastrophe from an insider's perspective how exactly does the stock market work stock market is a proxy system that was developed ... it was contrived out of the original foundation which were board of directors for a company so much people each have $1000000 to get together they invested 10 of them telling dollars into a company and then they get dividends right that was the of may basic sense you know years ago but someone said you know what I want to sell this stock and the skies above me for a little bit more men make money off of that it and suddenly the exchange system began and slowly but surely the idea of selling artificial shares of nothing effectively became a means of making money so this one is powerful political centers now simultaneously and it's truly spot like that you have effectively the most powerful improbable system on the planet now one that creates nothing so nearly the whole society has been coerced into this nonsensical participation that effectively holds up the post giant powerful political subclass the financial sector and if anyone won the scene another level of sanity emerge on this planet now in a step by step process rather than complete structural change I suggest the abolishment of Wall Street and a lot of people who are middle class lower class don't invest in Wall Street because it's just completely too abstract and everyone participates and debt based currency hand and the way that the currency yeah I'm operates how does it make sense that there is more debt then there is currently a good question mainly because the interest that's charged because we chip in capitalism every product just to have something that's makes money unless you thanks profit and then when the sale of money which is what banks do create and sell money effectively when they lower and raise interest rates there they're changing the price of what it's going to cost you to get money alone and they produce interest obviously in that interest doesn't exist the money supply so you have today about 200000000000000 in debt in the world and about 80000000000000 in currency so what does that mean it means that those that are holding the bag in the lower class are the ones that get screwed when you have economic decline it's all the money that's made in the world comes from the lower class taking loans so right now the lessons city 3 percent Americans have $1000 in savings yet the lower class that same subclasses what takes on all the major loans home loans car loans that money comes in the people buy all this stuff and then that money that's spent goes basically right back up to the upper class again because we are as we know that the growth of the past 10 years all of the the major income has gone to the upper 10 5 to 10 percent so it's even worse now cease my point so we the people take on all the loans of the entire collective money in society and then that money is extracted through them through various forms of structural classism and goes right back up to the upper upper one percent people should be raised by the //
"2017-08-12 03:45:33"
Empire Files: Peter Joseph & Abby Martin on Abolishing Capitalism
\\from no Peter just grassroots worldwide cooperate his most recent book new human rights livers a startling expose about the Iraq well issuing an urgent call for global hawk it's not damaged Joseph to talk with the contradictions prices of capital and what he advocates to save the future planning catastrophe Peter you know very interesting background having worked both in advertising and equity trading let's talk about advertising first what function does this industry serve in today's society the best way to explain that is to look at the fact that our economy is based on consumption and advertising is the arm of creating artificial demand and without that arm and it's so polluted as you know I can imagine what the world be like without advertising but without that arm you wouldn't have people aspiring to things that are highly irrational used by our social inclusion when advertising present something to the community that seems to be something that some people want spread like a virus that everybody wants and because it's an issue of social inclusion which is a part of our biology because that's how we identified we identify and define ourselves by how others see us and how we are included in the group so it manipulates our most primal sense of humanity in order to sell things again back to my original point if you didn't have that arm in our consumption based society since the industrial revolution the economy would collapse it's a very unique point to make because we first our economy of this nature like the agrarian society and then you became the craft industry for meeting demand right that's the point and that makes sense but some point this colonel seed had to change because we have such a highly efficient productive society that we have now at least in the technical sense not distribution Sanskrit poverty all at least in technical sense of what we can create efficiency abundance you have to have demand created now and that's a that's basically that the colonel seed of one of the central flaws of market economics capitalism has come to fruition today now in destroying human psychology but destroying the environment simultaneously because you hook insatiable culture that's been literally generated that I detail in my book and the national association of manufacturers in the twentieth century there actually arguing that that consumerism was the best defense against communism and totalitarianism they would this incredible PR campaign went on for for a while it still goes on really but its echoes of the original intent to transform society into one that just wants to buy and consume and then progress of course being defined by what we produce more stuff we produce the more you buy the more you own that must be progress now it's an incredibly disturbing ... this realization that this does nothing to benefit society in fact it's just literally I created to keep society afloat the economy afloat yeah it's a cold to kind of cultural violence the more people promote consumer stick values vein a materialistic values the more they want more more you all of this and that the more they flaunt that kind of phenomenon the more they create what is termed by Johan Galtung cultural violence because if you create a society that thrives in this type of self identification you're basically also promoting not only the destruction of the environment but the disk diminishment of others because you're saying that I can afford this I the status and I'm better for that in this person can't and we see that the L. phenomenally amplified today in the modern world with the winning community in our lovely president and his that rhetoric also carries over into massaging and everything else as I'm sure you know fairly recently ... he said well we we want to have rich people in charge of the economy because clearly they must be good at it so never complete absence of you know where's the sympathy where is right where's the actual binding ... purpose of an economy which to provide for everyone ideally now so it that the sicknesses become increasingly more palpable I often wonder what it will be like without advertising which will be a world without marketing and markets and they can tell you would be a whole lot different and far more peaceful and sustainable and amiable and just a humane than what we see today room from an insider's perspective how exactly does the stock market work stock market is a proxy system that was developed ... it was contrived out of the original foundation which were board of directors for a company so much people each have $1000000 to get together they invested 10 of them $10000000 into a company and then they get dividends right that was the of may basic sense you know years ago but someone said you know what I want to sell this stock and the skies above me for a little bit more men make money off of that then suddenly V. exchange system began and slowly but surely the idea of selling artificial shares of nothing effectively became a means of making money I call a drone warfare economics just like you would drive drones they don't see any kind of humanity as they drop Brom bones across the world the people the trade the stock market have no idea what they're doing when they're short in say the currency of some small country effectively contributed the country's decline but back to your question it started off as innocuous kind of investment strategy in that it moved into ... this thing we have people artificially trading things for no other purpose 83 percent of all stocks are on that one person the population is one giant money making machine for the elite and it just did the financial position of it all because financial services become so large and the money only 5 percent of the US population is in financial services get 30 percent of our GDP is taken by that that doesn't account for all the growth over the years that is but should be did that we dove to the upper one percent a pretend percent so this is one of those powerful political centers now simultaneously and it's truly spot like that you have effectively the most powerful improbable system on the planet now one that creates nothing it's there to simply make money out of money ... so it's a cancerous disease it's it's what happens in financially mature nations that have pretty much run out of the the the year of tangling required to keep as maximizing profits in a given industry so instead they moved financial is ation then it moves in all sorts of other despotic things like a dead peasants insurance these are companies like Walmart that would take out insurance on their employees and get paid when they die things like that so it's just this commodification of everything put a dollar sign on it no relationship anymore abstraction become reality once again and high frequency trading as is almost done with computer than I was when I was in trading ... it was the start of artificial intelligence and the traders around me like this it's over once Goldman Sachs gets their super computers together most of these companies and they trade this little detail some fun interesting the amount of time there and trade is an approach seconds because they're fronting other orders because of these companies can do other words they're trading title spreads of pennies but with heavy amounts of shares in front of other orders and then they use computers to do this and then they can generate literally millions of dollars off of fractions of time spent in and out of the market on like mac giant microprocessor level and anyone that thinks today especially that Wall Street isn't really did need to wake up because there's no way artificial intelligences and dominating its promotion all the big banks investment banks with artificial artificial intelligence versus other people's artificial intelligence at this point there's no ... there's no rhyme or reason to it comes to human perception so in effect you have this giant money making machine that the public has been roped into such as their retirement and the you know all the things the IRA's that for some reason are now connected to the market the market is inflationary driven which gives it its artificial sense of develop a progress meaning the more money that we pump into our society the more it goes into the market the more it keeps rising so yeah if you put in your retirement into into the stock market it will probably stay probably rise of crash periodically and then people make a fortune off of that too so really the whole society has been coerced into this nonsensical participation that effectively holds up the post giant powerful political subclass the financial sector and if anyone won the scene another level of sanity emerge on this planet but in a step by step process rather than complete structural change I would suggest the abolishment of Wall Street is not is nothing positive about what this institution does knows that say that it's there to help investment you can invest in anything with direct money without the need to go IPO the $700000000000 float of apple has nothing to do with what it actually produces at all that's just what the the people who are trading in buying and moving the stock around it's just a game and it's too bad that the people of sewing and ignorant about that it's a siphoning machine that is taking basically money from the lower class to bring into the upper class the different mechanisms and a lot of people who are middle class lower class don't invest in Wall Street because it's just completely too abstract and everyone participates and debt based currency hand and the way that the currency I'm operates how does it make sense that there is more debt then there is currency a good question mainly because the interest that's charged because we chip in capitalism every product just to have something that's makes money on the season thanks profit and then when the sale of money which is what banks do create and sell money effectively when they lower and raise interest rates there they're changing the price of what it's going to cost you to get money alone and they produce interest obviously in that interest doesn't exist the money supply so you have today about 200000000000000 in debt in the world in about 80000000000000 in currency so what does that mean it means that those that are holding the bag on the lower class are the ones that get screwed when you have economic decline there wasn't a B. bankruptcies and things like that that happened in a kind of classes in the structural classes not to call it that effectively hurts the lower class and the fact that people don't see that even in debt because I 5000 years it has been in lockstep of something else that we're familiar with called slavery so debt peonage slavery convict leasing ... it D. even today in certain areas of Asia they have debt that's passed through generations from former to child and that child is to continue working off it's father's debt and effectively a kind of ... post neo feudalism so these from us phenomenon is there and it's unfortunate that more people will see the actual intrinsic print intrinsic problem of debt and that the solution of that you can't you can argue that you can get rid of the debt based currency and so on and I've had many conversations people about that the question is why has it happened because it's intrinsic to this to the to the function of capitalism it's not even that they act insidiously just what their job it's their job is to make money on nothing so the people in them and people can't pay it they take their property and the property goes it's just no fun when system there is nothing on I'll mention all the money that's made in the world comes from the lower class taking loans so right now the lessons 53 percent Americans have $1000 in savings yet the lower class that same subclasses what takes on all the major loans home loans car loans that money comes in the people buy all this stuff and then that money that's spent goes basically right back up to the upper class again because we are as we know that the growth of the past 10 years all of the the major income has gone to the upper 10 5 to 10 percent so it's even worse now cease my point so we the people take on all the loans of the entire collective money in society and then that money is extracted through them through various forms of structural classism and goes right back up to the upper upper one percent people should be raised by that they don't see it because of the structural phenomenon it's something that's happening under the surface that isn't readily apparent and that's why today ignorance no one really reacts on it seems like no matter who's in the White House Obama Hillary or trump Goldman Sachs turns out to be the winner and even trump you know basis whole campaign saying I'm not I'm not a Goldman Sachs shell and and look what his cabinet is stocked with a I mean how powerful is Wall Street in terms of controlling the political spectrum it's very culvert but it's definitely an enormous power because the financial sector is like the pollute the polluting force that underlies everything and it's very difficult for people to understand that value of the major corporations have to be in bed with these major banks and due to financial position they ultimately bleed over into investment banks so much money is made by major corporations that people even know about have nothing to goods and services that to do with this recycling financial innovation and reinvesting in this in that little sub class of all major corporations that reinvest everything that they've done and they employ Wall Street to do so Wall Street as people have talked about since the American revolution the banking system has been given this privilege I'll say this way there's a privilege that that banks investment banks commercial banks in effectively the financial stations had and that's been on question and that's basically the control of money and artifacts that relate to money but have no intrinsic value again what's why advocate the abolition of Wall Street the entire thing these derivatives upon derivatives and so we create this housing bubble right so the housing market abusing the people of that are in need and basically triggering the systemic crisis that these people at the top made a fortune off of but didn't contribute to public health outcomes such as 500000 people that were dying of Cuba died of cancer they couldn't get treatment that's just the tip of the iceberg of the financial ... relationship to public health I'm let's talk about empire ... of course we see US military presence in over 70 percent of all the nations on earth that when you look at military personnel it's almost every single country but beyond military a Gemini there's the hegemony of US capital of course this is more hidden but how does this financial is Asian underpin the empire since the fall of the Soviet Union and the development of the World Bank the World Trade Organization NATO underlying all of these these these are so higher structure institutions is Neil liberal globalization and finance was Asian those 3 words have to kind of go together because that's one synergy and since the attempt at a different type of social order has been officially squashed ... the World Bank the IMF gone out of its way to make sure new liberal policies employed everywhere in any country that doesn't have that interest Ron as a rock Syria such a long list of countries is Libya that I try to do something different or have been on the outs for whatever reason but usually have economic roots that go back in history to some degree ... any country that tries to step out of the way gets gets hit with the idea that they are violating human rights because in this world at least in the perception of it of democracy that we have neo liberalism is mostly right next to it the idea of free markets courses it's not really free at all it's that's the thing about it's not really the liberals and the liberalism because that would mean everything would be open that's the true idea of new liberalism that when they are the people that came up with this word decades ago they said well we need some kind of philosophy to counter communism we want to promote open free markets across the borders of course no one actually did that so it's that lure of neo liberal fought but it's really just a a function of the wealthy class gets the socialist support as usual and the lower class countries or individuals of the ones have to suffer through new liberal free market outcomes they're the ones that get to fight and lose but the upper class states like the United States an empire 9 states empire it doesn't it's are susceptible lineaments because it's just the the bully in the room it's the big empire and has its vassal states that help has its arm of NATO it has it's almost will bank I'm if institutions to support its economic world view which eventually leads to its territorial and geo political control of other nations because that force won't tolerate anything else so yeah it's it's really insidious we've had now empire that's built really on economic coercion more than anything else and I mean with empty military bases are still powerful they're there and then the crudely functional but the economic power yielded in the ideology of me a little liberalism has been the true driving force of control but I would defeat argue that they're at their fear of communism and then there was fear of losing American western and effectively Kapuso Gemini brought in this idea of neo liberalism in the idea that if we don't employ enforce this old Adam Smith's invisible hand idea across the world then we're gonna lose our seat of control alternately room spend more on the notion that all wars are class wars you can look at society is as as a stratified structure both in domestic and any domestic societies which the United States were you perceive that the rich and the poor in the dim window in middle class then you can apply that exact same of of macro view to the states the nation states of the world and they've bits of basin to see how close in resemblance they are ... after World War 2 in the country that simply wanted to do something different outside of the can the neo liberal order had to suffer the same fate so the World Bank when they do they pose austerity they they keep those countries poor and destroyed and that's a great way you know if you if there's no infrastructure in these countries to start to develop new ideas are new patterns then there's no threat so ... and of course there's the Gretsch there's always gonna be an element that's that is an echo of our economic dominance US economic comments or just you know this pattern of economic dominance that builds in other forms of bias and I have no doubt you know that western society with its increasingly jingoistic views and this reversion back into xenophobic presence whether it's you know reclaiming the Mexicans are stealing their jobs were or that the the Arab communities and in Muslim communities are now the hub of this terrorist ideology and so on of these things foment after the fact and create long term patterns of bias and bigotry I like that you brought up the macro and micro ... in terms of the class the classes in in America and also the global classes and because yeah people talk of the developed world in the underdeveloped world as if that's just the way it is instead of the underdeveloped world actually giving way to why we have developed welcoming colonization today colonization as you know very well is effectively of a sprawling class antagonism it's the subjugation you know the poor of the world are not poor because they've been left behind and and market capitalism the poor because of these years of colonization of destroyed Africa in areas of Latin America you call your new book a logical train of thought from a social psychology perspective and let's start with the notion that poverty is violence right go over some of the casualties that arise from the structural violence that exists today in the system eyed the big board I use a socio economic inequality which poverty falls under the umbrella of socio economic inequality basically class stratification has been held up as some kind of innovator forced some force of innovation yeah that's about the only defensively you hear them say well you know you gotta have poor people that aspire to be rich people and that will create the engine of innovation and more nonsense is produced by industry that's effectively the only defense I've ever heard strap occasion other than people claim it's a biological reality and and there's no other choice than for us to be these primitive primates that stratified and therefore the bottom rings bottom rungs will suffer such as poverty is the worst form of violence has gone the stated to be in a stratified system is against well being public health that's been proven by a lot of different theorists epidemiology where they measured all these artifacts such as such as the level of violence in fact doctor James Gilliard which I know you've interviewed he's the former head of the study of violence at Harvard extremely brilliant better studied this is a prison psychologist in his speeches course statement you want reduce violence in society reduce inequality there's also the stars the by the psychosocial stress that we are killing each other through plaques in our arteries from the release of certain stress hormones that are directly attributed to the socio economic inequality as well other words the more you're involved in a class basis on we witness the the will have and the have nots the more it messes you up and there's a it's biologically associated so this is an unnatural state so poverty and social economic inequality kill about 18000000 a year based on one estimate so that is a couple couple Holocaust in one year they say the Soviet Union killed 100000000 people in one century of its existence were killing in capitalist inequality couples generate inequality that many in 6 years so the defense of a class stratified societies no longer existent in the public culture research under under capitalism there's always gonna be people who are poor right why is this notion that this is just the constant and ability that we have to accept poverty unemployment in the system booms and busts this is the most odd thing to me about capitalism is the acceptance that these things are natural better so the massive vehicles a class war ... every time there's a bust it doesn't affect the wealthy can and do work that so they can they can find ways to work around it but that creates cheap labor doing better for better for the owners of the country in the owners of big business and finance at it the eva Babe take foreclosures the financial services sector effectively booms during this because they're the ones who get to grab up everything the lower class can't pay for anymore and then when the Aviv the the boom starts happening again ... the queue we were all the things that the central banks do a vet invariably go in to the powerful corporate financial sectors because we still have the philosophy of trickle down we still have the idea that you have to pump money into big business and effect of the stock market in order to generate more activity that will flow down to lower class so it is very transparent and no it doesn't exist let's talk about the inefficiencies of the capitalist model versus the possibility that exists today with modern technology paint a picture juxtaposing this crazy comparison from food to energy but the greatest efficiency would be the fact that we have poverty at all so we talk about this advancement of society in this great productivity the most powerful force them as positive force we do have of the whole of human civilization is since the industrial revolution were built really do more more more with less and less and less and that is the driving force that can create acquittal equitable distribution and peace on this planet the fact that you have 5 people now with more wealth than the bottom half of the world and you have close to 1000000000 people 19 inch nutrition that and you have what it and buy it that Peter Edwards of Newcastle University put out we called the ethical poverty line which is based on life span not the metrics put out by the UN and when you use this ethical poverty line he find that 60 percent of the world's action in poverty that isn't is lunacy from an efficiency standpoint knowing and sit there and claim that this is an efficient then when that's the outcome on the social level and we talk about the efficiency of a factory and all the great fruits of technology that people claim or associate capitalism which is nonsense to get started it's our ability design and and our ingenuity through science and technology has created this not some weird mechanism that's attribute capitalism how about food and waste at the waste is absolutely insane you have 40 Sandoval food being wasted because of inefficiencies in the distribution pipeline ... which is staggering you know it we have globalization moving food all around you the average American food played was about 1400 miles that there's no reason for any of that especially now if you go down the line of what is possible you remove the the chaos of human society in that strange believes everything else and you actually look at what we can do then there's no reason for anyone to be hungry obviously there could be an an incredible state of efficiency in abundance across food energy and production so we talk about abundance it so confuses people because they really attacked all day long it with the world is finite and feel you can make an abundance what's yeah you what it's obviously it's a relative notion I mean the the sun will eventually burn out it's abundant us in long term of time so you it's not about details certainly there's a magical amount of everything it's about using the efficiency and of course focusing the economy on the interest have an abundance because in our current society it's the antithesis of what's rewarded we reward scarcity we want things to be generally scares the the corporate construct business doesn't want there to be abundant survey thing so the pollution in the water supply that's great for the water bottling companies so we're rewarding the exact opposite so you can't have sustainability preservation efficiency in a side it rewards the opposite and therein lies the great Kant contradiction the capitalist system and in terms of energy I mean what is possible right now I remember reading that such a small area like African power the entire continent plus part of Europe I mean there I die do analysis in the book that just looks at it looks at all the basic renewables in each one of them has the capacity critical abundance and meet the current needs any put them all together in synergy then make make basic what's called mixed use systems it's a little bit technical but we don't have any kind of systemic incorporation in our cities palette they should be every single step thing the house today should of solar panels anomalies power the home as much as possible but they run the energy back out into central grid suddenly everything becomes an attribute of energy development and share and you do that if someone criticized that there's a few smaller size and the cities cities in Europe that are doing that with outrageous proficiency so we put all that together of theirs it's absurd it's absurd you know everyone in small pockets knees entrepreneurs are doing their best you know even a like you on my skin the battery technology in there trying to do something but there's no concentrated focus there needs to be a basically a Manhattan Project figure out what the best solution is globally to unify the synergies of all of our renewables and to make them all work and if we did that if we actually got the minds of see all the universes together right now in your university project across the entire world said when focus on this problem right now what is the combination renewables how we distribute across the world and how do we make it a create a in abundance at 0 cost effectively I guarantee if you did that it would happen probably in 6 with the intent of the did the business class isn't that they will fully want to repress sustainable abundant resources and and products is that they know deep down just like everyone knows about a lot of things the subconscious that if they did that they make themselves obsolete and no business on this planet is and try to make itself obsolete matter how green it claims to be but that's what leads to fitting if anyone really wants ... to improve the ecological state specifically the type of transformations required ... would effectively drum modded would would cut energy unit industry backed by half a minute there would not be that many people employed money would not be made anymore because we have that ability and technology now to create things that last that will work that will be modular updatable without that need of the service scene in constant of over turnover that we see in the current energy of the industry sector really quickly let's go back to just what's possible can you explain the notion of vertical farming because I don't like a lot of people realize what that is in the potentialities wouldn't extrapolation the book regarding vertical farming business study out of Columbia University and what I've calculated crudely I did this deliberate leak of show the extremely up if you apply vertical farms to the existing agricultural land just in theory that it that it was a 15 story you would produce enough food for 34000000000000 people now people say well we'll put Kate obviously of different regional things and then irrigation so on the day but yet but it makes moved when you look at that type of number of potential and the reduction of benefits Google farms allow for extreme reduction in the fertilizer the need for light and energy any for water and there's the D. studied the examples of this that exists in different places granted you're producing not ever see are producing meat and and and in truth human science to get away from from animal agriculture anyway for respect sustainable you have incredible potential for abundance in you put these in localized areas no New York they've been converting some warehouses to start doing this very low very small amounts of investment is slowly being put into this but it needs to be amplified rapidly because of the loss of topsoil with 70 percent of our fresh water going to agriculture in the midst of what is effectively a water crisis by 20 by 2030 I think it was the stat was sick percent of the world will be in water stressed area by it it there's nothing positive in those trends at all so that's one great potential wait only fee local populations well but also to remove of the incredible ecological footprint that agriculture is do instead automation is also used constantly at as a talking point against the rising labor standards right against wage increases because will take away the skilled jobs we saw this in the eighties with with car manufacturers we see it today with restaurants a fast food industry ... stores right CVS etcetera you encourage automation because you say that will liberate people how well it was a few little Stewart first what is been the greatest source of oppression on this planet since recorded history labor yeah so not only do is it is it irresponsible for us not to apply automation because it's more efficient safer we can create more in abundance fourth yet with with less resources ... it's also a rad dramatic shift in the way human relations has been so if we can finally remove that ownership labor that old classes duality with the use of automation that will be profound just on that level I mean you review if you know people say it's a silly things to it will if you can Krishna Bunten's ... will have to step over population to keep reproduce in search of the opposite now that was the case did the on the mouth was entrapped with a huge burst of top of ... which university population will be felt on the hill hydrocarbons and then the technology boom but when you look at stats now in countries that have overpopulation of poor countries and when you have countries actually have decent affluent see they'd there not reproducing rapidly anymore so if you want to stop what people perceive as a parent up of over population which the dubious word Texas not qualified the viable no there isn't but only on population our society because our site is so inefficient it's not over population up because some we were at map outdoing the resources of the planet by but to create a tackle plane feeling the people's needs the population issue will not be an issue him completely created at I came in and emphasize enough what it would do to the psychology of people to be free of that drudgery and that sense of exploitation of each other how does intellectual property proved to be one of the biggest flaws of the system I did the main reason is that intellectual property restricts the OpenFlow naturally and allows it strix people's contribution to give an idea so intellectual property the whole of industry is is pushed by sharing one way or another so some cell phone company make something they invents her proprietary something another neither so currently release it under your oath allspice about secrecy then finally notice often company experiences that it imitates it and suddenly a little competitive war the people call innovation continues extremely wasteful including unnecessary so I just open source all intellectual property across the entire sector of 9 cross business in general you would see exponential increase in efficiency if I could sit back and and and design my own camera along with millions of others in open source community collaborative comments you would see the efficiency of that given technology far transcend what does any given boardroom even small group of technicians could ever come up with that's the wisdom of crowds and that that's happening like that's what drives our industry in the long run but it does it in such a slow way because we're not sharing it directly so you wanna you wanna see a dramatic ... innovation in this world then drop capitalism because it's it's inhibiting innovation more than it is anything else especially now yeah I completed in the medical field as well as just all these patents on on medicine it's disgusting only think about do you do people wanna make generics I document this in the book is well there of people suffering from tuberculosis and HIV related diseases and they were looking for dinner looking to make the run generics and the western pharmaceutical industry include all the way up to the White House said nope intellectual property restricts you from producing this year to buy it from us and finally they gave them like a you know a little bit of a discount killing hundreds of dollars not thousands per pill yet her cancer but it didn't you bring up a good point the medical industry in its is the best example of artificial scarcity the idea that these pills cost guy family member ID had cancer in the giver the soul thing in the stock on her arm and it was $17000 for this little piece of plastic that simply injected fluid and into her $17000 there's no way you're paying for yachts you're not losing their replies this is made by a machine in some pharmaceutical company in about 5 minutes with chemicals that are being makes that are far from rare were scarce different offending all in the Amazon and find something and you know it's it's the biggest fraud industry out there I think another fraudulent ... fundamental basis of the whole system is competition because you know Warren grain with the notion that all these technological advancements comes from competition incentivizing of course that all of these ideas you discussed the need to move from competitive to collaborative yet why is competition not all it's made out to be the first from the competition in the market system Rivlin's competing for market share mean money they're the competition becomes the innovation that's produced as artificial if they're not trying to improve on something to meet the human need to try and improve on something to sell unhealthy ... of industrial system isn't trying to artificially create demand once again is there to meet demand in fact you don't want artificially create demand because that means you're gonna be reducing your state ability you wanna minimalistic culture you don't want what advertising is driving us that's on the side of what you're asking that it's very bored point the people miss when they talk about innovation through competition especially as the competition has been proven in many academic journals to be hideously hindering and in a row sis producing there's little evidence to say that the competitive industry of of capitalism actually innovates in a way that somehow superior to clobbered insist especially people of the same intent so you can imagine you know anyone can sit imagine the building of something once again like open source collaborative comments and they know what they want they can they can infer what the next stage would be it doesn't take this sort of imposition builds on the comp come competitive coercion effectively to impose the demand upon them so if we know what we want and we can then further next stage of things why do we need companies competing against each other we can just now we have the technology to work together again it's it would be that much more innovative if we did that yeah I mean when you look at just even your child development I mean in school people are incentivized to cheat yeah to get ahead and and there's always gonna be way more losers than what is that due to the psychology of high of him he general competitive neuroses and finished it reinforces once again the ingroup outgroup underlying ... hierarchy enhancing tendency because if you have a sighted believes in this type of comparative ethics have a society that that says winners and losers are a part of the system I want to be a winner then suddenly you can justify walking over homeless people you can justify the bombing of this or that country you can justify just about anything that hurts another human being under the guise that it's just repetitive nature of our our whole system today is based on on the idea of scarcity but the opposite of course is true we have an over abundance as as your explained so clearly talk about how the development stages of market capitalism got us to where we are today there is ... geographical determinism that is talked about enough when people talk about markets capitalism they tend to go back to Adam Smith and say well some you know fear is got together and realize that we should specialize labored someone that's not how it happened at all you go back to the green revolution 1012 0 years ago and once you once people decided it was more efficient for themselves to start to settle and create forms and the slight scientific advance to happen with tools suddenly you have all the blue prerequisites for things like property detection labor specialization in trade and within trade trade strategizing dominance and that's the core characteristic in the book I refer to it as the route socio economic orientation of our society because based on that scarcity and it's also based competition and it's based on trade strategizing dominance which leads to oppression and deprivation someone as a as a competitive outcome so the neolithic revolution happened and suddenly society started to build in the structures with all of those things into it so there hasn't been much of a shift there been pockets of people that have lived differently aboriginal cultures in American culture is the geographical termism has to be taken into account and you see the force of this dominant kind of desert based culture and in the stratified society is taking hold and slowly a radically and all the other groups trying to live a little bit differently and suddenly it's manifested as we have today with a trade strategizing dominance as the virtue of our our existence that Pete and when and of course development of countries borders and empires empires with was the United States in this type of climate have been someone else because it's simply the most efficient state for any group dominance to maintain as much total global dominance as they can you have to break it annually to break it is to start with route changes in what started all this which is effectively the economic process option of yours perception of your survival in your group and you've if you change that then you'll be able to slowly more society back into but what was really a pretty big deal with that kind of world view which is all based community gift giving well if you look 99 percent of human society exist without money markets like to forget so this isn't some inevitability the way we live and what is the silver bullet that can possibly transform this negative projector that were on and that is structural change of the economy morality is not going to do it are free wills not go do it are rational sense is not going to do it in of itself because we are so inhibited and dominated by the structural psychology generated from our socials and reforms are going to do it either witches when the main points of your book is that 20 first century activism has been far too localized yeah I I know I don't like to be one to criticize all the well meaning people that's askew whether it's constructive conversations say if we don't if we don't focus on the route and we still keep sparsely drawing attention in this about protester this that activists initiative certain pockets of effectively problems it just ends up Brian placed the activist additions are required now have to grasp that and realize that now it's time for galvanize ation towards removing the foundation of our socials that's the market we have to start to be moved away from market economics as rapidly as we possibly can to save our ecology and to save the stability of our society in terms of group relationships E. the antagonism is created with our class system builds into all the other antagonisms we see whether it's whether it's gender whether it's race was nationalistic so it it's like that central colonel the keeps amplify in the worst of our group are anti group associations how do we socialize and localizer enterprise and who is standing in the way of this being done and obviously the the forefront of it are the are the the ownership classes in historically call the power structure is defined by the ownership class then went back to the state state has always been comprised of the heavy business interests of any given society heavy economic interests they've before business was a thing so to speak and who could do what what incentive do they have to alter their position that's why it's gonna take a galvanized force of activists that as the world probably never seen in order to overcome this hurdle night I'm done that you know promoting the kind of violence or anything but there has to be something that sub stops this thing in its tracks now before the ecological the ecological crisis if it is allowed to materialize in the way that you'd actually show between climate change between the the water scarcity between all the other levels of pollution that they're coming fruition the incredible not a waste more plastic in the ocean but 2050 more plastic than fish in the ocean but 2050 third got a general destruction the oceans your overall because of various factors that are happening ... if this awhile materialized Mrs wearing it in a book it will just create that much more class antagonism to make it that much more difficult for us to pull out of of this horrible ... I'd ingroup outgroup phenomenon in the oppression that we see so there's a time limit ticking down because if things are getting very early scarce over the first first and second World War were dominance works they were based on scarcity it kind of wars in the future of scarcity hits like it it's going to if we don't change is their goods and cataclysmic but we begin inside hasn't seen that yet hasn't seen actual resource war but a real not when the water is now limited and people are going to go to war over it it's ridiculous to even think that would happen frankly because we have all the technology resolve it but the arrogance of the people that are in power and the the myopic view of the business community is such that again they blinker these things out in favor of the general structure and they're willing to forego the well being of others ... in euphemistically I ordered a to preserve their positions so no more respect needs to be placed on the billionaire's of this world or the political establishment I'm not saying that people should be just arbitrarily ridiculed but we have to break the cultural violence this need this incessant impulsive thing that's happened in society where we worship Klassen status and billionaires has gotten better hasn't got much worse as they again I think the trump sig trumped up from selection signifies and the it we can't we should lows people anyone that's a billionaire that doesn't say I'm sorry I'm a billionaire but to do my best that someone you'd respect anyone doesn't question the fact that that doesn't suit raise the issue that it's wrong for it even be possible that a billionaire can exist in this planet is just as it's wrong that someone should be sleeping on the street in their life if that isn't pointed out then the note then receives will continue certainly is not gonna last and and your book is incredible again everyone check out the new human rights movement the envision for this book it is a beautifully democratize symbiotic ecosystem almost where people are collaborative the growing society talk about how how you lay that vision now well in terms of transition there are 5 steps such try to be as as direct as I can because it's very easy to just bring up a theory so the 5 steps are the application of automation that we've talked about the access of things as opposed to property which doesn't necessarily mean that silly no property exists it means that the Saudis incentivized to share what it has been as open source which build into the axis phenomenon open source that will create the innovation then there's the localization phenomenon that's that's where we finally realized we keep a global sense but we realize we don't need to have all of this industry spread all over the world in order to satisfy community another side of the world you live in so that's that one didn't the other one is this war a difficult thing to bring up call digitize network feedback which all that really means you track all the transactions that are happening economic transactions it can be within a monetary system without and you have all the feedback that you need to know what's happening in an industry the police together and you end up with a system incentivize people working together incentivize people sharing all those kindergarten things that were taught member for those things that were supposed to have our values that are simply robbed of us ... as we grow older and we realize that all things are taught as children as they are so ideal values were apparently wrong because no one ascribe to them anymore you have a non competitive society obviously and if society actually sustainability focus because our understanding what we're doing so the it creates who co existence more peaceful co existence and peaceful co existence with nature many were not over exploding and the only caveat to that I wanna bring this back up because this isn't a totally deterministic mechanistic mechanistic view is that we have to have a mature culture that doesn't thrive on this over consuming I too realistic vein ... ... idealism that is the great up that's the great argument I hear from people but you know this I envision a world where people are actually able to to get what they need it becomes a social reality as opposed to material and vindictive and status based reality it doesn't mean the hierarchy doesn't exist in the future or 90 less society because there are other things we do I'm not a visual artist your visual artist I use issue their natural hierarchies that happen and we respect those higher keys because we appreciate the talents of people not because they're they have more money than you therefore useless to glamorize them look up to them as though they're better than him that is a complete contrivance so there's going to be a natural hierarchy which is good because that's sh proves our group mind it proves our collaborative sense that you can do things I can do and so on so forth that's what motivates the collaborative sense in the power of our society as a civilization if we can bring those form that formally together we could get everything back on track //



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