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"2017-08-22 11:23:30"
Glenn Greenwald Talks About How Donald Trump Has Changed America 21 08 2017
\\10 well continues apace in Washington or over the weekend Steve balance the chief of staff to president trump was fired come untied is like what I have read trump administration which is like nothing America's of a Saint some people think maybe it'll be some sort of tipping point in politics Glenn Greenwald his fame one of the most prominent American journalists of the past 2 decades achieving global framed by publishing the massive national security lakes by former US government official Edward Snowden he joined me in Sydney Talia when I stop doing great beauty of it's been a lot of talk in recent times that we live in a post truth world the president of the United States as we know openly traffic scene exaggeration and outright lies do the facts master papal less than I you safe I'm not sure about that ... for one thing I think that the US government and governments generally have a pretty well established tradition of lying I don't think lying in government began when Donald Trump became president ... but you think that your cracked that the internet in the age of digital media has enabled people that out of my eyes and isolate into factions where you can only get information that is pleasing to you where firms your preconceptions and that I think does lend itself to falsehoods being able to take root much more potent than before yeah influential magazine foreign policy recently gathered together some national security experts and ask them to assess what they thought were the chances that the United States could ever ... descend into another civil war and the consensus view is about 35 percent chance in the next 10 to 15 years with the court of course and some of those domestic tensions Platt recently in Charlottesville panel study do do you think American democracies I actually think it's become substantially more unstable in the wake of Donald Trump selection not only because of the violations of norms that trump himself is ushering in but because of the kind of unhinged and increasingly radical remedies that are being considered in the name of stopping trump you have open calls for virtual military coups where the CIA or the Pentagon subverts the outcome of the election by undermining trumps agenda and democratically ... I think that the American political culture like the British political turn the Baker brags it ... is extremely unsettled and and destabilized and in lots of ways and things that were previously unthinkable are now being openly ... contemplated and and I think that that's consequential for people around the world to the to American democracy is kind of that the norm center for how democracy should function if love given that volatility if president trump where in paged or arrested or forced to resign have you think that would play out well I think that that's a really alarming prospect on you have tens of millions of people in the United States who voted for him because they believe often with good reason ... that they have been radically ... aggrieved by a lead in a ruling class that has destroyed their economic future and their ship their jobs overseas and in pursuit of corporate ... profits and those people tend to be there faction of United States that's well armed and angry and I think you think that can lead to some extremely serious domestic instability United States you mention that way saying Tom Lange wage and ... and calls for action like we've never seen before something else it's different now say even if you compare the immediate aftermath of 911 is just the degree ... of laws and ... surveillance that's coming since 9:11 am do you think that the public has become now accepting of a certain level of ... surveillance and containment of of privacy and their rights I think certainly that was true before we were able to reveal the extent of electronic surveillance through the snow in reporting ... it but I think that the debate that has ensued as a result about reporting has for example pressured Silicon Valley companies to demonstrate that they're committed to protecting the privacy of their users in a way that has driven a wedge between technology companies and governments of the collaboration is not quite as great as before at the same time the ability of governments to wave the flag advice says into invoked the specter about Qaeda has once again put people into this kind of irrational fear of terrorism where the risk that is posed to them is wildly inflated beyond what the evidence suggested actually is and that emotion is very strong which is why it's so vulnerable to manipulation and I think that has a lot of senses ... regress the debate bacterium where it was before the start reporting where people have the attitude that whatever the government needs to do including reading my emails of listening to my calls an artifact in terrorism I want them to do and what do you think that's an invalid for tax people think all I don't have anything to hide what's it matter well for one thing every everybody has something to hide which is why people put locks on their bedroom and bathroom doors and passwords on their email and social media accounts but I also think that it's really important to realize that the more governments are engaged in mass surveillance meaning they're not just spying on terrorists but on entire populations the harder it is to find terrorism plots on because the government is collecting so much information that it's impossible for them to even know what they have so both on principle grounds of the importance of privacy to people but also on just practical grounds what we want our government to be doing rationally more unsafe when they are reckless indiscriminate with how they're surveilling rather than focused in targeted D. keeping touch with Edward Snowden and his team has the personal cost of ... making those revelations Spain would fit I a sweet them very often ... and I say this without hyperbole there's honestly nobody that I know in the world he was happier or more content with the life choices that they've made ... he puts his head on his pillow every single night ... safe in the knowledge that confronted with what he perceived to be a serious and justice he took the action that he was capable of taking to confront it and to fight against it even if it meant putting himself a great rest do you think he site where yes I think it's physically safe ... I think that the American government would love to get their hands on him and if he were in almost any other country in the world they would almost without limits to what they had to take to apprehend him but I think Russia is one of the few places where the Americans don't feel comfortable doing that for good reason and so I do think he's you know it's been 4 years now and and he's ... been protected Glenn Greenwald thank you very much thank you from me //



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